Tunbridge Wells 0-3 Punjab United - We're committed to getting enough points on the table to preserve the club's status, says Tunbridge Wells boss Steve Ives, who reveals this is his hardest season in football

Tunbridge Wells 0 – 3 Punjab United
Location	Culverden Stadium, Culverden Down, Tunbridge Wells, Kent TN4 9SG
Kickoff	18/03/2025 19:45

TUNBRIDGE WELLS  0-3  PUNJAB UNITED
Presence & Co Southern Counties East Football League Premier Division
Tuesday 18 March 2025
Stephen McCartney reports from Culverden Stadium

TUNBRIDGE WELLS manager Steve Ives admits this has been his hardest season in football after extending their losing streak to five games and languishing within the bottom five and eight points clear of the Southern Counties East Football League Premier Division relegation zone.

Thirteen home first-team games have been postponed this season due to either waterlogged pitches or floodlight issues, but 15 of the 16 floodlight bulbs were working for this fixture against Gravesend-based Punjab United.

The Wells put in a lacklustre performance in front of a sparse Culverden Stadium crowd of 83, as dominant and very direct Punjab United leapfrogged over Fisher into third-place in the table, courtesy of a hat-trick from Gravesend-born striker Roman Campbell, 24, taking his tally for the season to 15 goals.

Punjab United were without centre-half Jack Barry (personal issues) and Lea Dawson is set for his ACL operation next month and is expected to be ruled out until Christmas.

Tunbridge Wells were without Matt Black (twisted ankle), Ryan Hine (knee), Daniel Tear (pulled quad), Jack Walder (family), Rory Ward (knee) and Joshua Woodliffe (hip abductor).

Ives confirmed that six players have recently left the club with Siji Akinlusi (Eastbourne United/VCD Athletic on dual-registration), Muiz Alaka (Sporting Bengal United), Ryan Moir (Lancing), James Shield (Oxted, as player-coach), while pair Riley Assam and Lewis Unwin are ‘just having a break.”

The poor playing surface wasn’t conducive to play a nice attacking brand of football on the deck, so Punjab United played direct football with 21 long throws being launched into the Tunbridge Wells penalty box from their two full-backs, Chris Edwards (nine) and Stephen Ratcliff (12).

“I think truthfully we got what we deserved, which was nothing,” admitted Ives.

“I thought Punjab were effective and just put the ball in much better areas than us.

“I thought we were better second half but did we actually really have any impact bar the keeper’s save from Feasey’s header?  We didn’t get a lot for our efforts really, did we?”

Punjab United manager Jugjit (Chipie) Sian added: “Hard-fought. I thought we were professional today all over the pitch. I thought we were outstanding!

“I warned them before we came down here, it’s not going to be the prettiest of places to come but these are the games you get caught out and we’ve been caught out a few times this season.

“I thought we could’ve been five or six up. I thought we were outstanding! I thought we made sure we just done the simple stuff. We’re not going to overplay. We’re going to play in their half, the last third and I think the game plan worked perfect.”

Punjab United’s first chance came from open play after only 101 seconds when central striker Roman Campbell switched the play out to right-winger William Johnson-Cole, who fed Edwards on the overlap and he whipped in a great cross within the right channel where Roman Campbell jumped over his marker to steer his header over the crossbar from eight-yards.

“I thought he should’ve scored, I thought he should’ve scored,” admitted Sian.

“That was in the first couple of minutes, I thought he should’ve scored! That’s what we’ve been working on, we’re good at that so the training we’ve been doing, we’re good at that. Sometimes we don’t finish those chances but we can’t score every time we go forward.”

Punjab United opened the scoring with seven minutes and 13 seconds on the clock.

Edwards launched a free-kick from inside his own half into the box and the ball was knocked down before Tunbridge Wells’ holding midfielder Harry Hudson (three long throws) cleared his lines.

Edwards recycled the ball back into the penalty area, Jack Hopkins laid the ball inside to Roman Campbell, who placed a clinical left-footed shot across the keeper to find the bottom far corner.

“It was a well-worked goal weren’t it, the set was beautiful as well, said Sian, who was asked about the direct style from his orange kitted out team.

“Our game plan was actually play in their last third  and not to p*** about with it at the back, even our midfield, put it in the right areas over the top and we’ve got people that can hurt them and I thought Reece Deakin, Roman Campbell, Hoppo (Jack Hopkins), Will (Johnson-Cole), the front four, I thought they were outstanding today.

“That’s what they can do when they talk to each other. We’ve been a little bit quiet sometimes, we sort of lapse and tonight I think if you’re on the sideline you can hear them all over the pitch, our lot.”

Ives added: “Again, it’s a dead ball, which at the moment is our Achillies heel but second phase I just thought Roman was just a lot more alert to react. He just seemed to have way too much time and space, which is really disappointing really.”

There seemed to be very little football played during this game and home goalkeeper George Bentley made a low save in the 16^th minute.

Edwards launched his second long throw into the Tunbridge Wells box from the right and the ball was given away by Hudson before Johnson-Cole played the ball inside to attacking midfielder Reece Deakin, whose left-footed drive from 18-yards was held by Bentley low to his right to prevent the ball nestling inside the bottom left-hand corner.

Sian said: “It was a good move again there. I thought we cut them open again.

“Listen, we worked it so well in that period, up the hill, I thought we were fantastic. Every time we went forward we were dangerous. Every throw on, every cross, even in open play we actually played some nice football.

“We knew what we were going to do (long throws) but also I thought we played quite well some of it. We played into a lot of patches and played some really nice one touch football and that’s what created some of the goals.

“I think the first 15 minutes we played some really nice stuff and shame that we didn’t get three or four I think.”

Ives admitted: “It is concerning. They probably play the environment the right way because it’s very hard if you try to get it down and play and don’t get me wrong, they’ve got some guys that can deliver a ball, whether it’s from a throw or whether it’s from a set-piece or a deal ball and they’ve got some aggressive lads.

“To be honest, in the first half at times it was a little bit embarrassing because I thought they were winning way more than they should!

“I think second half we were more competitive, more combative but you’re on an uphill battle aren’t you when you’re 2-0 down.”

Tunbridge Wells offered very little in attack while going down the slope and 16-goal right-winger Regan Corke was kept in Ratcliff’s pocket throughout the 67 minutes that he was on the pitch.

Corke drove in a couple of right-footed free-kicks from either side of the pitch in the space of 80 seconds but Hudson glanced his header across the keeper and past the left-hand post – before centre-half James White came up from the back and his towering header was comfortably plucked out of the air by visiting goalkeeper Owen Bushell.

“There was nothing really to write home about in the first half from us. It was a poor first-half of football. I can’t really remember anything particularly positive to talk about,” admitted Ives, whose side put in a poor performance, an alarming performance that proves Tunbridge Wells are now involved in a relegation dog-fight despite having numerous games in hand on every one else.

Sian added: “We restricted them a lot today. I think we made them work all over the pitch as well, which is good.  I think when you do that they struggled to get up the field and they did struggle to get up the field in the first half and sometimes that’s what you’ve got to do.”

Punjab United deservedly doubled their lead, following Ratcliff’s fifth long throw of the game, the goal coming with 25 minutes and 38 seconds on the clock.

Punjab United won several near-post flick-on’s within the Tunbridge Wells penalty area tonight - and the ball was hooked by Roman Campbell over to Johnson-Cole on the right and he fizzed in a low cross towards the near-post.

Wells’ right-back Brendan Austin was drawn towards the near-post and tried to clear his lines but Roman Campbell nipped in to sweep his shot into the bottom right-hand corner.

Sian said: “Roman said it hit him, so we’re going to give it to Roman, that’s what they’re saying, he’s claiming it.

“Listen, it was a good move again. I think Will hit one right before that that went straight out for a throw-on when he tried to shoot with the outside of his boot.

“This one, he’s actually fizzed it straight in and that could’ve gone anywhere couldn’t it and that’s the best way to be done, just whip it straight in and someone’s going to get hold of it.”

Ives said: “All I can really remember is it’s a long throw and they were quicker to react again than us.  We were defending on our heels rather than our toes for both of those two goals.

“I thought we looked a little bit shell-shocked at times when the ball was coming in. It was really weird, it’s obviously a problem we’ve got to stop. We’ve let in way too many goals (17) in the last five games.  We’re not scoring (one goal) at the moment either so it’s a little bit of a recipe for problems if we don’t manage to change the momentum.”

Dominant Punjab United were to be denied a third goal on the half-hour mark.

Edwards’ second long throw was flicked on at the near-post by team-mate Wayne Bushell and the 12-goal Hopkins’ header in the middle was tipped over the crossbar by Bentley.

“I think Hoppo should’ve scored, straight down the middle, normally he’s great in the air as well. I think he was kicking himself when he came in at half-time ‘I should’ve scored that’, on another day he probably would have,” added Sian.
 

Left-back Ratcliff launched a long ball out of defence and Roman Campbell took a touch before hitting a shot on the turn from 18-yards, which rolled into Bentley’s gloves for a comfortable save.

Tunbridge Wells counter-attacked down the slope and created an opening with 43:56 on the clock.

Striker Jack Gallagher broke over the half-way line before releasing attacking midfielder Festos Kamara charging down the right and his cross was cleared out to Gallagher, who lacked composure and stroked a left-footed half-volley from 22-yards, which was comfortably gathered by Owen Bushell.

“I guess the key difference really was they had Roman Campbell hunting for  goals in between the posts and tonight we didn’t really have anyone,” admitted Ives.

“We haven’t got that Roman Campbell right at this moment. It’s not like we haven’t got people that are capable but right now there’s not anyone really putting themselves in a position where they’re going to score.”

Sian added: “I think we restricted them to just small stuff and that’s because we worked hard all over the park and I think our defensive shape and our midfield two in there, they snuffed out a lot, which makes it easier or the wingers and the forward.”

Punjab United deserved their two-goal advantage going into the interval.

Ives said: “Really just trying to throw a little bit of life, a little bit of pride into the boys.  Be honest, I felt we looked a bit shell-shocked. I thought we were getting bullied a little bit.

“I asked if any of them wanted to throw in the towel, which none of them did and I just sort of challenged them. I said ‘you’ve got to stand up and be counted then’.

“I’m not going to claim that we were better but I did feel we were more competitive in the second half.  I felt with the benefit of hindsight, I thought we were probably adding in terms of possession, not as though there was a massive amount of end product but I thought we were having our better spell in the game.”

Sian added: “We had to bring our own heaters, yes, it was alright.

“We just said, look we’ve done this at SE Dons (Forest Hill Park), we’ve done this at Rusthall, we’ve done this at Bearsted. We’ve come in and we’ve sort of lapsed on a few bits and we’ve gone in there and we’ve not started as quick as we should.

“I said to them, the first half is actually a pitch perfect performance on a pitch the way it is. It’s a bit of a slow atmosphere, I thought we were outstanding! Everything we done all over the park, we were outstanding. Do not stop and I think second half we started again, absolutely on fire.”

Punjab United came out with all guns blazing at the start of the second half and the underside of the crossbar denied them after 36 seconds.

Everyone was expecting Edwards to launch his sixth long throw into the box from the right but he threw it relatively short to Jordan Campbell, who played the ball back to Edwards, who cut inside before drilling a stunning left-footed drive from 25-yards, which flew over Bentley’s head and cannoned off the underside of the crossbar.  The ball fell to Hopkins, who was to be denied by Bentley.

“That would’ve been a great goal, left-foot. Chris has got that in his locker. You know how Chris is good on both feet. It’s just a shame it didn’t go in for him. We needed that, I think,” added Sian.

Ives added: “I remember that clearly.  He caught it. I ain’t going to lie, I think there’s a possibility that was over the line but obviously it wasn’t given and I didn’t have a great angle.  My eyesight’s not great either, so it was certainly some strike and Chris Edwards is a very good player.”

Ratcliff’s fifth long throw from the left was allowed to bounce twice inside the penalty area by a battered and bullied Tunbridge Wells back four and Roman Campbell’s free looping header inside the six-yard box in a central position brought another fine save from Bentley, who used his outstretched right hand to push the ball over his crossbar.

Sian said: “He (Bentley) was good. Listen he was probably man-of-the-match for them because he did save a hell of a lot today and Roman, again, straight down the middle. I think either side of him, he scores.”

Ives added: “That was a good save. Yes, I remember that one. He got a good paw on it didn’t he and tapped it over but as the vast majority of what you’re describing, it’s dead ball scenarios.  It’s throw-ins, it’s free-kicks, it’s corners. It seems to be our least favourite as well.

“It’s effective though, to be truthful. We had the same problem against Hollands & Blair (3-0 defeat on Saturday). It was a corner, a free-kick and a throw-in, so I’m probably giving a template of how to beat us right now but we’ll be working hard to try to change the momentum.”

At this stage it was like watching a training game of attack-v-defence and there was to be no football played, with Sian’s men reliant on long throw after long throw.

Bentley launched a long free-kick from close to the half-way-line and a high defensive line cleared their lines and Tunbridge Wells centre-half Jack Turner smacked his right-footed volley over the crossbar from 25-yards on the hour-mark.

Ratcliff’s eleventh long throw was cleared back to him and his cross from within the left-channel was met by a jumping Roman Campbell, who headed past the left-hand post from eight-yards.

Ives ‘rolled the dice’ and hooked left-back Edward Mare, Corke, strikers Gallagher and Kamara and made a quadruple substitution and one of those players, striker Jacob Feasey was the fourth man to come on (22:09) and just 39 seconds later, he made a bad foul on Hopkins to ensure that referee Alex Gordon had no option but to point to the spot.

Roman Campbell emphatically drilled his right-footed penalty just right of centre, as Bentley dived to his left, to kill the game off, the third goal coming with 23 minutes and 54 seconds on the clock.

“I think there was another one before that, I thought we should’ve had a pen as well,” claimed Sian.

“This is blatant. You could hear it from the dug-out where we were. He’s kicked him badly and fair play to the ref, he gave it. I thought he had a good game actually, the lino’s and the ref. I thought they were good.

“Listen, he takes a really nice penalty, kills the game. It’s hard to face things like that but I think that killed the game for us in a sense of that it’s done and just ease it out until the end.

“Just imagine if we had Roman at the beginning of the season, where would we be? It’s a team game and they create a lot of chances for him and he’s a good lad and he works hard. When he works hard as a forward, you deserve a chance.”

The striker, who has played for Kent clubs Gillingham, Margate, Sittingbourne, Ramsgate and Faversham, before moving to Essex to live with his girlfriend and Sian revealed the striker contacted Hopkins and Sian snapped him up after the striker impressed him in training.

“He lives near me, near Vigo. He was living in Essex with his girlfriend and he rang up Hoppo and said ‘he’s moving back to Vigo, ask the gaffer do you need a forward?  He’s come to training and we signed this kid and he’s been amazing for us.

“At this level, definitely, Roman’s a complete forward. He’s brilliant! He holds it up, works hard, scores goals, encourages, works hard for his other team mates as well. He’s my perfect number nine.”

A frustrated Ives said: “I felt from my point of view, we’ve got to use the squad. We’ve got such a run of games that I’m trying to not fatigue any of the boys and whilst I did feel we were having a better spell, we still weren’t really causing a goal threat, so quadruple substitution, roll the dice.   Yes, at the minute I’m not rolling any sixes, am I?

“Rolled the dice and made the four subs, obviously that made a fantastic impact because Feasey’s given the penalty away in about 30 seconds, so unfortunately it's one of them. It’s a centre-forward on the edge of the box trying to do his bit but the penalty just snuffed out any possibility of a comeback really didn’t it?”

Edwards floated in a free-kick from the right and all it needed was a touch.  The ball was glanced towards goal by Hopkins, the ball sailed just past the far post, as another chance from a set-piece was created by dominant Punjab United.

Punjab United also dominated the corner-count by 8-2 and Tunbridge Wells’ first corner arrived in the 73^rd minute but a woeful delivery from right-back Brendan Austin was cleared back out to him and his speculative right-footed drive from outside the box cleared the top right-hand corner.

Tunbridge Wells produced their best move of the game with 28:48 on the clock.

Hudson switched the ball out to Austin, who put in a much better cross from within the right channel and Feasey rose in the middle and his header was tipped over the crossbar by Owen Bushell’s outstretched left hand.

“I’ll say that was probably only good move of the match in open play,” admitted Ives.

“If I’m honest, the keeper’s, we’ll call it a good save, it weren’t fantastic. If it had gone in, I think they’ll be looking at the keeper because it was quite a comfortable height and it was straight down his throat.

“It was a good move, a great ball from H (Hudson), a great cross from Brendan and Feasey has done well to get his head on it but yes we’re clutching a bit really aren’t we?”

Sian added: “Good save. That was a good hit to be fair. It was the only chance they had, I think. That was a really good save. Owen’s good, he’s a young goalkeeper, still learning his trade and he’ll only get better and better.”

The sparse crowd were stunned to silence as the minutes ticked towards the conclusion, as Punjab United were to be denied a couple of late goals by Bentley, one of very few Tunbridge Wells players cutting the mustard at this level on tonight’s poor performance.

Ayomide Majekodunmi released fellow sub Alfie Moynes, who easily cut inside Austin and the winger’s deflected drive from 22-yards was comfortable caught in Bentley’s midriff (44:36).

The outstanding Wayne Bushell smashed a volley out of defence and Deakin (who was now playing up front after Roman Campbell was subbed) outmuscled Turner in a tussle outside the box and his left-footed chip was pushed over the bar by Bentley, the ball looping over his crossbar.

Sian said: “I think he should never had chipped it. I don’t know why he chipped it. He could’ve placed either side of the goalkeeper there but look, the physical battle between him and the centre-half, he won it in the end and it was another good save, fair play to him, he done well tonight. He saved four or five goals.

“This is probably one of the best away performances we’ve had all season because I thought we were just outstanding all over the park.

“What made me even more happy was the talking. I think we encouraged each other, we were telling each other where to go, get it out, don’t over-do the ball and we stuck to our guns.  Sometimes you’ve got to go out there and do the basics, work hard and do the right things. Listen to the game plan, play in their last third and that’s exactly what we done today.”

Ives added: “Probably a bit sloppy at a finish to be completely truthful.  JT (Turner) is a good friend of mine, obviously played for me at Crowborough and Eastbourne Town. We’ve had a bit of a defensive crisis.”

Reflecting on Bentley’s performance, Ives added: “Towards the end of the first half, I thought he made a couple of poor decisions coming out of his box, got a little bit lucky.  He misplaced a couple of kicks.

“I challenged the boys, I said if we don’t stand up and be counted here, we’re going to get rolled quite badly and to be fair I thought he was one of the ones who noticeably got better in the second half.”

VCD Athletic were deduced one point earlier today after fielding an ineligible player during their 5-5 draw at Holmesdale on 21 December and the title favourites tag now belongs to Tommy Warrilow’s Faversham Town.

VCD Athletic slipped down to second-place following their point deduction but returned to the summit following tonight’s 1-1 draw at Corinthian, while Whitstable Town thrashed Holmesdale 6-1.

VCD Athletic have picked up 70 points from their 32 (of 38) league games.

The four play-off sides are Faversham Town (69 points from 31 games), Punjab United (57 points – 17 wins, six draws and 10 defeats), Fisher (54 points from 31 games) and Rusthall (54 points from 30 games).

Jamie Coyle’s Whitstable Town remain in sixth-place on 53 points from their 30 games, nine points clear of Larkfield & New Hythe.

Sian takes his side to Crayford on Saturday to lock horns with VCD Athletic, jointly-managed by Ross Baker and Danny Joy and have five league games remaining to cement their place in the play-offs for a shot at promotion into the Isthmian League South East Division for the very first time.

“I was happy with everything. The moment we got here, the atmosphere, the buzz in the changing room,. I think the (2-1) win at Lydd on Saturday wasn’t pretty but I think that win gave us a little lift,” said Sian, whose side were controversially knocked out of the Challenge Cup Semi-Final at Forest Hill Park seven days ago.

“It’s up to the players again. I said to them if you want to put pressure on the teams above and the ones that are chasing us, you’ve got to keep winning and if you don’t keep winning, you’re going to lose out, you’ll lose your place and today I thought we were fantastic.

“We’ll just keep going. We’re going to keep plucking away every game and we’ll see where (we finish with) five games left.”

Reflecting on the six-horse race for the race of promotion, Sian added “It’s exciting, I love it. I think it’s going to be brilliant until the end but they’ve all got to play each other yet, they’ve all got to play hard games and nothing’s done. It won’t be (settled) until the last game.

“Listen, we’ve got a massive game against VCD on Saturday so that ain’t going to be easy as well.

“I’m loving it! I’m loving the pressure. I love pitting my wits against all these teams, so we’re going to go there with no fear. We don’t go anywhere with no fear. When we went to Faversham, we didn’t fear no one.

“We’ve just got to work hard and do the same performance like we did today and if we do that, I think we’ll get something, I really do believe it.

“The title is between Faversham and VCD and I think it will go down to the end, last game of the season. I think the play-offs will go the last game of the season.

“I just want to finish top five, that’s it. I don’t care where we play (in the play-offs) because on our day we can beat anyone in this league and for a club like Punjab to even be up there where we are, it’s amazing.”

Tunbridge Wells, meanwhile, travel to Lordswood on Saturday and must play 13 league games during the last six weeks of the season.

The bottom six sides are Hollands & Blair (32 points from 32 games), Tunbridge Wells (31 points – nine wins, four draws and 12 defeats), Stansfeld (31 points from 31 games) and Snodland Town (29 points from 32 games).

Lordswood (30 games) and Lydd Town (31) are still trapped within the relegation zone, both of 23 points.

“We’ll Lordswood is a good as place to start as any.  It’s crazy isn’t it. I think five weeks ago we were the second most in-form team in the league behind Rusthall – fair play to Jimmy Anderson. 

“I think we won four out of five and since then we’ve lost five out of five and we’ve only scored one goal so pick the bones out of that.

“It’s been difficult but we can’t keep moaning or we can’t keep hiding behind the difficulties we’ve got. We’re all here, we all want to win games of football and for me we’ve got to get our head around the act that where we were optimistically looking at the play-offs, we’ve now definitely got one eye over our shoulder on making sure we get, let’s say at least three wins under our belt just to (survive).

“I’ll give all those games in hand to someone or nine points right now, so we have to grind.

“I don’t think it’s a lack of, I don’t feel anyone down tools and gave up. I thought the boys continued to fight but somehow we’ve got to make it happen for us and we’ve just got to remember the fact that we’ve got players in that team that have had clubs all season putting seven-day approaches in for them so they’re good enough.

“Just collectively at the moment, we’ve got to get our chins off the floor. There’s no hard luck stories, you get what you deserve in football and we didn’t deserve anything tonight. Let’s be brutally honest about it.

“I would say it’s been my hardest season in football, mainly because it started with so much optimism.

“I’ve been in some difficult situations before but I knew they were going to be difficult. I knew what I was letting myself in for and I psychologically prepared for a battle.

“But this season, I generally thought all the work we put in pre-season, the squad we put together, we were doing quite well in the Vase and in the League.  I just really wanted to have a fair crack of seeing what we could do with the wind behind us.

“But as it is we’ve sort of turned into a storm and now it’s about just trying to make sure we preserve the club’s safety in the division for the fans and for the people working hard behind the scenes.

“It’s not particularly enjoyable, truth be told but we’re committed to getting enough points on the table to preserve the club’s status.”

Reflecting on the low turnout from the Tunbridge Wells faithful, Ives added: “The crowd tonight felt like it was quite low. The atmosphere felt a bit flat, now let’s be honest, we haven’t given them anything to really cheer about.  I’m grateful to the hard core who came and cheered us on but it is hard.

“You’re potentially turning up two or three times a week, which is challenging but what can you do?  We can cry about it (the fixture backlog) or we can try to paint some sort of sob story but ultimately we have to pick up points and no one’s going to feel sorry for us and no one’s going to give us the points without fighting hard for them, so bring it on!

Tunbridge Wells: George Bentley, Brendan Austin, Edward Mare (Kazzeem Richards 67), Jacob El-Hage, James White, Jack Turner, Tom Jones, Harry Hudson, Jack Gallagher (Jacob Feasey 68), Festos Kamara (Joshua McArthur Nolan 67), Regan Corke (Rhys Bartlett 67).
Sub: Rory Ward

Booked: Jacob El-Hage 63

Punjab United: Owen Bushell, Chris Edwards, Stephen Ratcliff, Jack Hopkins (Ayomide Majekodunmi 83), Kyden Lewin Thomas, Wayne Bushell, Reece Deakin, James Dunne, Roman Campbell (Alfie Moynes 89), Jordan Campbell, William Johnson-Cole (Arun Suman 78).
Sub: Stefan Payne, Paul Vines

Goals: Roman Campbell 8, 26, 69 (penalty)

Booked: Chris Edwards 48

Attendance: 83
Referee: Mr Alex Gordon
Assistants: Mr Kieran Parrott & Mr Christian Chivers
Observer:  Mr Stephen Down